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fair and balanced. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. >> chris: i'm chris wallace and this is "fox news sunday." wisconsin state capital, the new frontline in the battle over how to cut government spending. with other states watching we will talk to the republican governor scott walker about his plan to change the rules for public employee unions. then, the president's budget lands on capitol hill. now, the debate over how much to cut. we'll hear from two senators who could hold the key to
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compromise. oklahoma republican tom coburn and missouri democrat claire mccaskill. plus, protests spread across the middle east. we will bring you the latest and ask our sunday panel ha is happening in region. our power play of the week. a general's wife finds her own way to serve our military. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. the political firestorm in wisconsin over proposed changes to bargaining rights and benefits for government workers intensified this weekend. here is the latest. an estimated 70,000 demonstrators gathered at the state capitol saturday, most opposed to the governor's budget plan but also some supporters. public employees offered to pay more for pension and health benefits if they can keep their
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collective bar gaining rights and senate democrats remained out of state so no vote can be taken. joining us, the man pushing the changes, governor scott walker. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good to be with you, chris. >> chris: the 14 democrats who fled wisconsin to avoid tortion block a vote in the state senate say they will come back if you will sit down with them and work out a compromise and the deal would be that the unions agree on the money issues but keep their collective ba bargaining right. are you willing to do that? >> if you want to participate in democracy you have to be in the arena and that is here in madison, wisconsin. not hiding out in rockford, illinois, or chicago or anywhere else out there. democracy is you participate. and they failed to do that. they are walking out on their job which contrasts to the
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almost 300,000 state and local workers who despite the protesters most showed up and did their job like they are paid to do. this is about balancing the budget. we have a $3.6 billion budget deficit. we are broke just like nearly every other state across the country we are broke. the only way to balance the budget not only at the state level but the local level is give the local governments the tools they need to balance the budget and that is what we are proposing. >> chris: if it is a money issue and they are willing to concede on the money issues why isn't that enough? why do you have to take back some of their collective bargaining rights? >> in the end they can say that but that is really a red herring. the same groups tried to ram through literally in a lame duck session employee contracts that would have locked innings in before i got there. they are not really interested. i was a county official in milwaukee county, a county that
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never reelectricked republicans before. i there was for three different elections because we tried to tackle the same issues. what stood in the way time and time again is collective bargaining.llective all need to have the power to offset what is happening in wisconsin next week and this is cutting billions of dollars from the local governments. the difference is unlike the other states i want to give the local governments the tools i need to balance the budget now and in the future. they can't do that with the current collective bargaining laws in the state. >> chris: i understand it is the senate democrats who took off. how long are you willing to let the standoff go on and what would you think of the legislature voting that the senate democrats are in contempt of the legislature and therefore what they are doing is a crime? >> well, on the latter part my hope is that cooler minds will prehe veil and by sometime earlier this coming week they will show up for their job. i said it all along the best
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way to motivate senators to come back is for constituents in their districts regardless of how they feel about the budget repair bill to tell the senators so show up and do their job. we will look at every throughout. i'm an optimist. i believe we have a path that allows us to have everybody come back vote. plenty of time to have the debate. but democracy is not about hiding out in another state. it is about showing up here in the capitol and making the case here. we are willing to take as long as it takes. in the end we are doing the right thing and doing the right thing for wisconsin and leading the way in wisconsin on we form. leading the way again when it comes to budget erie form. and for us, we have to do this. again, we have had for decades, leaders, republicans and democrats alike who pushed off the problems. there is no place to push them off to. two years ago, my predecessor and many of the same democrats
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who are now hiding out pushed through a budget that took $2 billion of one time federal stimulus money. they didn't make the tough desix then. we will make them now oboist we have to to get the state economy going fen and get the budget balanced. >> chris: president obama stepped into the controversy this week. let's look at what he said. >> some of what i have heard coming out of wisconsin where you are just making it harder for public employee collectively bargain generally seems like more of an assault on unions. >> chris: you said that the president should focus on balancing his own budget. order that, do you feel that his stepping into a state collective bargaining rights issue is inappropriate and what do you think of his political arm, organizing form america taking a role in organizing some of the opposition. >> i think the president should stay focused even fixing the federal budget because they have their happens full and are
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a long way from getting it accomplished in washington. the thousands of protesters here this past week have every right to be heard. at least those from wisconsin. increasingly as you just alluded to this there are more than more coming in from other states across the country. for those here from wisconsin, they have every right to be heard. we had workers that weren't here and we have been doing that. post importantly, there are 5.5 million people in the state, taxpayers by and large sacrificing their own jobs, paying much more than the 5.8% for pension and for healthcare. they made tough decisions to balance the budget in coma irkuhns and hopes and business make sure azelate as the voices are we tonight let 2:
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>> chris: you say this is not about the unions. this is about balancing the budget but the opposition says this is about union busting. so let's take a look at what is in your plan. because beyond making public workers pay more for benefits. it would allow unions to negotiate only over wages, not benefits or work rules. state would no longer collect union dues and unions would have to win an election every year to keep representing workers. isn't that union busting? >> no, absolutely not. our believe is that we will ask more for a healthcare and pension contribution which is by the way a very realistic amount. my brother is a catering magglio for a home here in wisconsin and his wife works for sears and they have two beautiful girls. a typical, wisconsin middle class family. he told me last weekend, he reminded me, he said scott i'm paying almost $800 a month to pay for my healthcare and to set aside the little bit i put
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in terms of my 401 k. he would love like most every worker in the state would love to have the deal put on the table for the state and local government. >> i want to talk about the collective bargaining and saying unions have to hold elects every year. not the issue about the money. >> the two go and in and. if we ask to pay more to sacrifice to balance the south, we should say for those workers who tonight want to be a tart of that union and don't want the deducks out of their pay check shelters should be able to get 500, 600, sometimes a thousand dollars back and they can pay for that healthcare contribution. if you want people to have their choice that is what they are a.i. louing here. people seed value and the work and continue to vote to certify the union and they can continue
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to voters voluntarily have the union ties. they shouldn't be forced to be a part of this investment. and chris one other quick thing on this. ther who thing that is important to remember. we talk about worker rights. wisconsin several generations before collective bargaining was legal here in the state of wisconsin we passed the strongest civil service protections in the country. there is no state that has a better civil service system in terms of protections. that does not change in this. worker rights will be maintained even after our bill passes. >> chris: this gets to a bigger question and that is whether or not you think there is something structural here. what the way the system has developed over the years, public employees and public employee unions have the upper hand when it comes to negotiation with state or local governments. do you think that the public worker unions have gotten too powerful? >> absolutely. no doubt about it. like i said, for eight years i
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was a local official, a county official. i saw first hand for me at the county level, for every school district, county, town board out there and they have been asking for in. this didn't just come up after authorities -- local oh fixes have the been looking for these minutes of rolls. they are trying to force us to casqued, lay 500 or 6 hundred people off, go ahead, you acquaint touch your benefits. another 5 to 6,000 state and local government workerers have that to be laid off in a state that has a 7.5% unemployment rate. still too high to be acceptable. i don't want a single person laid off in the public or the private sector and that is why this is a much better alternative. >> the same kind of things. the eyeee of trying to make
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unions giving up some of their sew sect live bargaining gate. what you are involved in right now is a watershed. a ronald reagan in the air controllers moment. is it a test case for the power of government versus the power of the public employee unions? well, i do think it has large ramifications. i'm proud of the fact that, wisconsin, led the way to welfare and education reform under my friend tommy thompson in the 1990s. this is not something new to me. i spent eight years before this as account executive trained to do exactly the same thing. i talked about it in the campaign and i talked about it in transition. i talked about it since i took was a. thise are going to be in this together then our budget deficit is going to take a whole lot more than employee. s when it comes to pitch and healthcare. it has to be a piece of the
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level. it is like a virus that eats up and more and more of the budget. not only the next budget but the budgets. >> chris: went on for telling meow have been talking to other governors. what are they saying, hang in there? >> absolutely. whether him or chri chris chri. i got in one day 19,000 e-mails on friday. the overwhelming majority saying stay the course you are doing the right thing and it is always good when you are doing things for the right reason and that is what we are doing in wisconsin. >> gretchen: thank you very much for joining us today. we appreciate it and we will stay on top of the story. >> gretchen: thank you, chris.
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>> chris: up next, the fight over government spending in washington. the house approved huge cuts early sa
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quiz now that the house approved a measure with deep cuts to keep the federal government in business until the fall attention turns to the senate and we are joined by two senators who will be key players in the budget fight. in muskogee oklahoma, governor tom coburn and from st. louis, senator claire mccaskill. republicans passed a bill that would cut current spending by $61 billion and letts look at the provisions. it would ban all funding to implement healthcare reform and ban all funding for planned parenthood and cut spending for
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the national institutes of health by $1.6 billion and job training by $2 billion. senator mccaskill does the house bill stand a chance in the senate or is it dead on arrival? >> i wouldn't call it dead. i think the democrats in the senate and the white house are committed to making cuts. i think cuts have to happen. the question is what are the priorities here. are we going to take a weed whacker to education funds in this country while we let millionle areas continue to deduct interest on their second home. in that doesn't seem to be the right priority. i hope everyone is willing to compromise. i hope everyone is going to sit down and work this out. i'm little worried that the republicans in the house are so anxious to threaten shutting down the government. >> chris: but if you say that u you are willing to cut, all right, and there is certainly an argument to be made about what you are going to cut. they want to cut $61 billion from current spending.
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how much are you willing to cut from current spending? >> i think certainly there is on the table a $41 billion cut. >> wait, wait, wait, senator, that is a phoney cut because that is $41 billion from the president's budget and that which hasn't ever been enacted. it would actually not cut at all from current spending. they want to cut $61 billion from current spending. how much are you willing to cut? >> i think -- i can't speak for the even tire senate, chris, i can tell you i'm willing to cut. i have been working on trying spend the government spending reined in for over a year. we might want different cuts than the ones in education that the house has done. i for one am not happy about the cuts in border security. for gosh stakes we had everybody talking about secure the borders, secure the borders, secure the borders and then instead of making some reasonable adjustments in checks we write to oil
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companies they are cutting border security. i think we need to look at the priorities. >> chris: let me bring in senator coburn. do you support the overall level of $61 billion in cuts from current spending and what about senator mcsaying well, look, we -- about senator mccaskill saying we need to argue about what we want to cut. >> i don't think that is severe. the federal government in terms of discretionary spending is 93% bigger than it was in 2001. we are essentially cutting in terms of inflation adjusted dollars 5% of that growth over the last nine and a half years. what seems big in washington when you lay it out for the american people is small. there is so much waste in the federal government that it will be easy. there is no question there will be controversy about what the house has done. we can easily cut 61 billioned. we should be cutting 100l $1 bn
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and we should be reforming other programs. clarclaire mccaskill has agreed to work on some of these issues when some of her colleagues hasn't because she realizes that we are going to make the cuts, chris, sooner or later. we can say they are extraordinary. we will either make them or be told to make them by the people that own our bonds. >> chris: what we are talking about here is a measure that would extend the continuing resolution which funds the government which runs out on march 4th. let's take a look at the calendar because this becomes all important now. the continuing resolution as i say runs outth, a week from friday but the senate in your infinite wisdom is on recess all this week until next monday, february 28th which means you will have only four days before the cr expires. senator mccaskill is the senate going to be able to pass a new budget plan and work out a deal with the house i four ds
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or are you going to need an extension of a resolution? >> i think we are serious about making cuts and negotiating and we can sit down and begin working on that. we may need to extend slightly the current situation for a few days to get a compromise that works for the american people. keep about mind, chris, that the cuts have come in a very small part of the budget. give tom coburn credit. as a member of the fiscal commission he stepped up along with democrats durbin and conrad and said, you know, we have got to look at the entire budget not just 18% of the budget. we have got to look at the whole shabang and i hope that we do this in a comprehensive way, not just take a weed whacker to the discretionary spending budget while letting the pentagon off scott free. >> chris: you said we will probably need an extense o extf the cr to work out a deal.
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speaker boehner said if there is an extension there has to be real cuts in it. watch what boehner said. >> i'm not going to move any kind of short-term c.r. at current levels. when we say we are going to cut spending, read my lips, we are going to cut spending. >> chris: senator coburn, there have to to be cuts for any extension of the cr and if not are we headed for a government shutdown? >> i don't think anybody wants to that to happen and everybody reamizes we have to make significant cuts and you can't play the waiting game saying well, we don't want to agree to this now, give us a month and we will get it done in the next month. the fact is you will get waited out and still spend the $61 billion this year that we don't need to spend. so it is good for political rhetoric to talk about a government shutdown but i don't know anybody that wants that to happen. and i think cooler heads if in
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fact everybody says hey, we have to do this, and we have to accomplish this, that hopefully we will have some leadership on both sides of the ail tha aislt willle do that. >> chris: one of two things are going to happen. either the democrats and the senate and white house have to agree to current cuts in spending, cuts to current spending, maybe not the whole $61 billion but some cuts to get an extension or boehner has to back off what you just heard him say. which is it? >> i can't answer that question for you but i can tell you that 75% of the american public wants us to cut the size and scope of the federal government. and that is democrat and republican and libertarian and conservative and liberal. if you deny the american people what they know to be true is that we cannot continue living beyond our means and we are getting ready to collapse in terms of our financial financing of our debt it is ridiculous to say that the
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children in washington can't come together and cut some spending. >> chris: so let me put this to you, senator mccaskill. are you willing to agree to some cuts in an extension of the continuing resolution or are democrats is going to say no, we won't do that and we will have a government shutdown? >> i'm going be optimistic that everyone behaves like adults here and we can get this worked out. but the person who brought up the government shutdown is john boehner and the republicans. >> chris: he just says i want cuts. >> we all want cuts. he is the one that is saying he won't even do a week or two days or four days. it is silly. the bottom line is we all want cuts. we can try to compromise. we can make serious cuts in the government with some wasteful programs without going out at the heart of education funding. without cutting border security. we can do that. now, if we don't want to make
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political points and not posturing for the extreme elements of our party we can all sit down and find the compromises and that is what boehner ought to be emphasizing, not saying that i refuse anything. he should say let's negotiate and make real cuts. we all want to do that. >> chris: senator coburn what we have been talking about so far is just the budget for the next seven months of this year and then we have to deal with 2012 which starts in october and there are reports that you, senator coburn are working with a bipartisan group, senators from both parties to try to put the debt commission for trillions of dollars in cuts into effect. you would set targets for cuts in spending, in entitlements, in tax deduckses an deductionsu don't reach them there would we automatic triggers. how is that going? >> we are working at it. you hear a lot o of stuff assumed in the press that isn't necessarily true. i can tell you there is
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intellectual honesty in the room and recognizing what the political realities are. i think a large number of people are economied to do it. it has to be everything. everything has to be on the table from social security to the defense department. i'm convinced there is $50 billion a year in waste in the defense department and we can get it and i'm convinced there is hundreds of billions of dollars of waste across government programs and we can go get it. i think there is a commitment to try and get something done. whether we will or not i don't know. the mandate on us is do we want to make these decisions ourselves, chris or ultimately want to have the people who own your debt tell us what we are going to do? i would much rather be in the process of making those decisions myself. >> chris: senator mccaskill you have become something of a deficit hog but republicans note that you voted for the stimulus plan, you voted for the obama healthcare plan. are you now willing to cut
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entitlements including social security which some of your top democratic leaders say off the table, are you willing to cut those and is it as the gop claims because you face a tough reelection fight in 2012? >> well, i decided that ear marking was not for this former auditor on the day i got there, chris. i started working on trying to rein in government contracting the day i got there and tom coburn and i worked together on that for every day i have been in the united states senate. yes, i voted for big things when your economy was in a crisis but i always had an eye on the pivot to make sure that we get to the serious work of cutting our spending and looking long-term at our entitlements. we have tos to protect social security long-term. i agree with tom coburn. i think we have to look at everything and be responsible and intellectually honest. the american people are ready for us to be honest with them about the fact that our debt is too high and we have to get a
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handle on it. >> chris: a minute left and i want you both to be honest with meze about this because it is amazing the president unveiled his three plus trillion dollars budget and we are just getting to it now and one of the reasons it has been so widely dismissed on capitol hill is because while he says it would cut the debt by a billion dollars over the next decade, the fact t would add $7 trillion to the debt. let me ask you both and let me start with you, senator coburn. was the president's budget a failure of presidential leadership? >> i think so. the savings in that budget won't even pay the interest costs over the deficits of the first three years of the budget. that budget puts us in a tremendously greater hole than where we are today. it as failure. it's dead. everybody knows it's dead. the question is, can congress come up with one or are we going to run the next year under a continuing resolution? >> chris: senator mccaskill, you say you want to be honest. let me ask you, i know it is going to step on some
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democratic toes, is the presidents it budget a failure in leadership? >> he laid down a starter mark and we got a lot more work to do. itchris: do you think that is addresses the problem? >> i think it was a starter mark. frankly, no matter what budget the president laid down it was going to be attacked. i think he laid down specific attacks and we have a lot of work to do and i'm willing to go to the table and get it done. >> chris: thank you so much for talking with us and both of you please come back. >> all right, chris, see you. >> thank you. >> bye, claire. >> up next, protests across the middle east and authorities using lethal force to contain the uprising. an update from the region and we will ask our sunday group to explain what's
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>> chris: that was the scene in bahrain saturday as thousands of protesters moved back in the riot policere when ryeat retreated. before we bring in our panel let's get the latest from day rid lee miller in ba bahrain. >> chris, it looks like a stand off between the demonstrators and the royal family and government here in bahrain. demonstrators have retaken the square. many of the violent clashes have taken place. many have spent the night here and say they will not leave until their demands for reform are met and call for the removal of the royal family. the government says a dialogue is underway with the protesters but did not elaborate. elsewhere in the region more violence.
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in libya, security forces fired on mourners attending a funeral, leaving 15 people dead. attacks in the second largest city where the protesters have one steadily gaining momentum and in yemen one protester shot dead and five others wounded during a protest march demonstrators were calling for the removal of yemen's president who has ruled for more than sh three decades. u.s. officials are closing monitoring situations and especially here in bahrain which is home to the navy's fifth fleet. >> chris: david lee miller reporting from bahrain. thanks for that. and now our sunday group. bilbill kristol of the weekly standard. mara liasson from national public radio. former state department official liz cheney and fox news political analyst juan williams. let's look at a map of the region and it is changing
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dramatically by the moment. fromoment. massive protests. many of them turning violent. bill, what is fueling it and hugh far is this going to go? >> i think it was the pro-- most of the protests are peaceful but some of the regimes are cracking down violently. i think this is a big moment in the middle east and i think it as moment we have to try to shape, not wish it weren't happening or give up and say it is too complicated. >> a place like bahrain which is a friendly nation and reasonably advanced one. we are putting pressure on them and including the prince. to help make constitutional adjustments. the prime minister has been there for 30 years or something. everybody in the middle east seems to be in power for three or four decades which is why we are having the problem. other countries like libya are terrible tyrannies and there we
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should stand with the people. we have to make distinctions among what is happening but u i think we have to shape it and not just deal with it. >> pretty hard to shape it absolutely. ly. in egypt the administration got the outcome it wanted with very little antiu.s. and antiisrael sentiment. there is a slim good news in bahrain. one of the reasons the protesters were able to take back the square is because the military decided all of a sud sudden to pretreat for the moment. under a lot of pressure from the obamaed administration under which he should get credit from all sides. now, that they are into negotiations if they can get to some kind of negotiated nonviolent peaceful settlement that will allow reforms to happen maybe some of the other countries can follow suit. >> chris: let's that not talk about the obama administration and the u.s. role because this is happening outside of
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anything the white house can shape. in libya the, forces firing on mourners leaving a funeral. and some reports from human rights activists more than hundreds killed. in iran, brutal force to stop the demonstrations. is there a les lesson here to repressive regimes if you use enough force you can quell the protests? >> i think the message is the power of the media. the violence is probably worse in a place like libya where we do not understand and have the kind of presence on the ground that we had in cairo, for example. and what i understand is going on in libya also have you have government forces now frankly watching twitter and when the protesters put out the tweets and say gather here at the square, gather here at 12:00, you have the government follow following. i think what we are seeing is a
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significant from a historical perspective potentially as we saw in eastern europe in 1989 and 1990. no one knows where this will end up. i think at the end of the day all of us need to be hoping for and working for more freedom, more opportunity, more democracy. and from the perspective of the obama administration, one of the challenges as bill said to recognize that these countries are different. i was concerned yesterday to see the white house put a statement out that lumped libya, iran and bahrain all together. we would like to see the libyan and iranian and syrian regime go and finish. we would not like to see that in bahrain. i think there is potential there for the monarchy to be able to come up with the kinds of reforms and kind of agreement with the protesters that in fact would not result in a crisis or catastrophe. >> sebahrain is the home of the u.s. navy fleet and they have been very much a western ally.
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your thoughts about what is going on? >> it is an important distinction to be made between totalitarian regimes. what strikes me is that even in bahrain there is a suggestion that you could have iranian influence in the place. takes us into the larger geopolitical struggles in the middle east. the administration, everyone wants to support the movement in iran but the question is how do you do it and support that without putting people in an untenable position where the crackdown would be violence that would kill a large number of people. violence is not going to suppress the uprisings because i think as liz was saying about twitter but i think the internet and al-jazeera, all of this is displayed throughout the middle east and i don't think they will be able to suppress the motion of freedom of expression and desire for democracy. they will use that violence. at what point does the united states have any obligation to get involved to support people
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and use its cia influence. >> chris: the "wall street journal" had an interesting editorial that in effect said obama should pull a regan and meet openly with disdents from libya and syria and iran and do everything he can to smuggle equipment and money in to iran to back general strikes and protests. this idea of just very even handed diplomatic statements isn't enough and in effect he should do what regan did against the russians in afghanistan. good idea? >> absolutely. the iranians are doing it and it would be redick lucian ridio do it ourselves. >> there is another point about that. the president was reluctant in the 2009 iranian poe tests to do that because he felt that it would give the regime a chance to say look, this is just an
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american controlled effort. now, i think there is a better opportunity to do that now that this is sweeping the entire region. and he did would out of his way at the press conference to say something about iran and i think they are edging up cautiously to something that approaches more of that span. >> chris: they are a long way away from that, though. >> a long way away but getting tougher in their rhetoric. >> i think i would like to see them get tougher in thick actions a little tuner here. >> chris: with you like to see him openly support the freedom fighters, the protesters in iran? >> absolutely. he should have done it last u.n. ed he done it frankly in june of 2009 we might have had a very different iran today. think that you have a situation here where the administration is constantly playing catchup. and one of the things that they clearly are going to be doing now is adding more money to the democracy programs. as they do that, they need to be held to account. not a single taxpayer penny should go to the muslim brother
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hood. the administration so far has defused to declare tase on o position to that. the muslim brotherhood is not democratic and support the imposition of shari sharia law. >> chris: we have to take a break here. when we come back, the wisconsin showdown between the governor and the states workers. what does it mean for other states?
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>> chris: what is going on in wisconsin? is this just about balancing the budget or is governor walker trying to take back the powers of the public employee unions? >> if you listen to rich he says it is a focused crisis and it is all dreamed up. the reality is wisconsin does have a budget deficit and it ballooning and the fact is the public service workers have again russ pension plans they weren't even contributing to in many cases. the request if terms of negotiating about how much they contribute or the fact that
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they don't contribute anything is totally legitimate. this is a reasonable thing for the governor to be h bebe be d. once you come to the fact that he wants to take away collective bargaining rights lots of people say if you want to negotiate, negotiate. let's do this in a kind of shared sacrifice way but you can't just bully people around. that is the point where you see the dem none straighters rush into the square and the 14 democrats disappear from the legislature to try to stop walker. the teachers right now are in trouble across wisconsin. the public support for unions is at a historic low according to a pugh poll released this week. in large part because of the problems people have seen with teachers. in milwaukee schools, their back kids there have the lowest reading and test scores in the whole country. >> chris: i want to get back to the question about whether the position that walker and other
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governors taking about trying to drawback the rights of the unions as bullying, a phrase you used or there there is a structural imbalance and if you are going to deal with the deficit now and in the future you have to take back some of the power of the unions. >> a much needed reform. probably some what overdue. in the private sector unions bargain with management. it as real bargain. here the unions elect a democratic governor and that is what they did in wisconsin the last two cycles and gives them an incredibly generous contract. doesn't give that much in wages, gives them the huge benefits. it as corrupt system and can't be sustained and i think government walker is right to say we can't just take a one shot adjustment to this, we need to change the rules of the game. >> private sector workers have over time they have bargained over benefits because they have given up wage hikes to get
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better benefit packages and i think right now, where the public is supportive of the rollbacks on public sector workers is in on the financial side. it is unclear yet whether there is a lot of public support for actually changing the bargain and saying you can't even negotiate on your benefits, only on your wages. and i think they apparently according to reports out of wisconsin the public sector unions have already accepted the wage cuts. >> they have. >> now, we are talking power politics. the public sector unions are supporters of democrats. if the firefighters and policemen supported the democrats they would be under the gun, too, but they are not. this is big politics between the democratic interest group and the republican governor. >> i think on the issue of collective bargaining it is more than politics because the governor is going be asking for massive budget cuts. what he is saying and said to
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you this morning, chris is those localities and counties across wisconsin the elected official there's need the ability to be able to make cuts that hurt people the least. and when you have got collective bargaining in place and when you have the benefits that are are basically sealed in and no ability by the local officials to touch those or affect them, it reduces their ability to actually manage their own budget. i also would say in terms of public he support for this when you have schools in milwaukee closed because the teachers are sitting in wisconsin in madison protesting, i think it is clear where the public will be on that. >> chris: we have a budget battle going on here in washington. the hughe who us house saturdag passed the budget they promised with $61 billion in cuts this current spending. the continuing resolution runs out a week from friday and the senate will not even be in session this week. they come back a week from friday.
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where does this stand and will we see a government shuttown? >> i think the chances are increasing by the moment although i think the republicans understand it is not in their best interes inteo have a government shuttown. what we are seeing s that john boehner in the first six weeks has not been able to rein in tea party element. the freshmen are saying we want more cuts, more cuts. the people in the leadership of the republicans of the house wanted a reasonable cut in the neighborhood of $30 billion and the head of appropriations said this stuff about $80 billion, indiscriminate and heavy handed. nobody can rein in the tea party at this moment. it is not going to lead to negotiations with the democrats. it is just making the democrats more fixed in their opposition >> chris: i know you want to respond to that. but this is going to come down to a decision on march 3rd that a boehner put a market
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down there, i want to see real cuts in spending. even for an extension are the democrats going to agree with that sore is that where they have to blend. >> i think it will be real cuts in spending. the idea this is some dramatic budget cuts, maybe back to 2007 levels, that's brutal. and this week under the house leadership of paul ryan have committed to epititlement reform. they are doing the right thing. not just cuts to the discretionary spending. do an entitlement reform. governor walker in wisconsin is trying to reform the public employee union system. it is really -- they just have to give up the ten electoral votes for the right. >> on wisconsin. they would have like a great fight song, you know, on wisconsin, on wisconsin. it would be great. >> there is a number of --
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>> chris: let me ask you a specific question. one says look what happened in '95 with gingrich and clinton. would that necessarily be true this time if there is a shutdown? >> i don't know. i don't think there will be a shutdown. i think there is a number that the senate democrats and the white house will accept of cuts in the current year's budget. we don't know what that number is but the problem is the calendar that they have hardly nye time to get this done before march 4. >> chris: that is why you need an extension. thank you, panel. see you next week. fy√∑@>m9
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>> chris: he is the most
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respected military leader of our time but his wife has also served the country for the last 36 years and now our power of the week. >> i think better to do something while they are gone is a real plus. >> the wife of general david petraeus the commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan. while he is serving overseas she has her own mission. >> some of the things you have to sympathy about before you retire. >> she is setting up service office affairs. >> she says on military bases there are a lot of people with guaranteed paychecks on their own for the first time like
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autodealers selling cars or electronic cars offering expensive if i can or military loans on the internet. >> they are out right scams or they are very expensive loans. >> chris: now, she will be able to help military families. >> it's also to get it on the books and right rules. >> she comes from a distinguished american family dating back to the american revolution. >> how did you meet. >> what did you think. >> we obviously liked each other. >> so much, they married nine months later. she has made 21 moves but all of that when he was named u.s. central command. >> did you think his days on the front lines were finally over? >> yeah, i didn't expect this
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latest deployment, that is for sure. >> chris: until last june, when president obama asked her husband to take over the war in afghanistan. >> you are setting an example of patriotism by assuming this difficult post. >> i saw it on the news with everybody else. >> she has only seen her husband twice since last summer. that is more than most families but she does know one thing that won't be in their future. >> how would you feel if he would run for office. >> he doesn't want to and i don't want it for him. he doesn't feel it's the way he wants to go. >> chris: meanwhile,she is helping on the home front. >> i young person, there was a chopper scam and he just said, we saved you $3,000. it makes you feel it's all worthwhile.

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